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billson
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  20:59:34  Show Profile  Visit %s1%'s Homepagebillson  Send %s1% an ICQ Messagebillson Send billson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
其實 Free Ball 呢架o野,除非係有球証判,兩個去 argue 都無乜 meaning,豁達o的,包容o的, Free o米 Free ,無米無o羅。

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lksnooker
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  21:00:06  Show Profile  Send %s1% a Yahoo! Messagelksnooker Send lksnooker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by B.Hall

如果咁set就稍為易救喎!
我諗住打走隻黃波,而隻白波就stun停,企o係藍波後面,有咁貼得咁貼。

B仔老豆



咁當然要睇係乜情況0既, 如果領先廿幾三十度, 就用你個方法, 唔怕破壞局面, 但係如果落後廿幾度, 就用我個方法, 保留顏色波0係一齊啦, 同希望對方救到就失機會, 救唔到會有 freeball 嘛~ 哈哈~ 領先少少都可以用我個方法0架... 正所為救唔到事小, 留 chance 事大嘛!

Edited by - lksnooker on 09.09.2005 21:03:25
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lksnooker
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  21:01:43  Show Profile  Send %s1% a Yahoo! Messagelksnooker Send lksnooker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
但係發覺原來都真係又人覺得有, 又有人覺得冇...

咁講下點解覺得有 freeball 或 點解冇 freeball 呢??

Ken Sir 同 田中 又覺得點呢??

Edited by - lksnooker on 09.09.2005 21:16:22
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B.Hall
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  21:18:34  Show Profile Send B.Hall a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lksnooker
咁當然要睇係乜情況0既, 如果領先廿幾三十度, 就用你個方法, 唔怕破壞局面, 但係如果落後廿幾度, 就用我個方法, 保留顏色波0係一齊啦, 同希望對方救到就失機會, 救唔到會有 freeball 嘛~ 哈哈~ 領先少少都可以用我個方法0架... 正所為救唔到事小, 留 chance 事大嘛!



我剛剛相反,如果我領先超過廿五度,我直情free波,pot隻啡,數字上即贏!
但如果落後,我就用我個方法set碌架,若係有foul & miss的賽事,隨時就咁番身。
現時幅圖只見黃啡藍三隻波,如果用我個方法打走隻黃做碌架,基本上可以自己控制力水令黃波唔會埋邊;咁就黃啡藍都係open。
但若用你個辦法去set,只要對方一救中隻黃,個藍波實郁,亦差不多一定打走埋隻啡,咁究竟停o係邊,就要睇對方用幾大力去打,完全被動。 就算對方救唔中隻黃都只係得4分著數。
我諗有人會再進取o的,擺個小斜位free啡波,推入順便撓埋cannon,細細力kiss開黃波繼續個break,不過我自問無咁深厚功力。
其實各人有各人打法,無話邊種實o岩,大家研究研究喇!

B仔老豆

Edited by - B.Hall on 09.09.2005 21:34:44
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B.Hall
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  21:27:17  Show Profile Send B.Hall a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lksnooker

但係發覺原來都真係又人覺得有, 又有人覺得冇...

咁講下點解覺得有 freeball 或 點解冇 freeball 呢??

Ken Sir 同 田中 又覺得點呢??



其實我都唔肯定,因為單靠幅圖好難睇。
我認為只要將個白波擺到黃波下方,有咁貼得咁貼隻黃波而又唔黐,兼且無「責」住條界的話,應該無得free。 但如果根本擺唔到好似我咁講的話,就應該有得free。 紙上談兵好難講,要落field試試先清楚。

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lksnooker
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  21:35:23  Show Profile  Send %s1% a Yahoo! Messagelksnooker Send lksnooker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
你已經開0佐估! 我就係咁同個 Marker 講, 就將隻波放0係個黃波前面, 我就話, 咁已然唔 Free ball 啦, 佢唔信, 又唔明, 又唔聽, 最好笑就係差唔多個個都話有 freeball, 過0佐去之後仲囉返出0黎笑, 成場得兩個人話冇 freeball, 一個冇解釋點解冇 freeball, 第二個完全解釋到 off 晒 topic, 用第二個理由話唔係 freeball, 唔知 up 乜!

最好笑就係0個時隻藍波係0係黃波上面 (唔係左面! 我張圖係有心誇大0黎証明就算再近都係冇 freeball!


Edited by - lksnooker on 09.09.2005 21:40:48
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AllenW
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  23:11:14  Show Profile Send AllenW a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't understand, could you explain more? From 球例補習班, 飛波形成, Qn 3 and 4, there seems to have contradiction. (or maybe the rule is different for color ball? Any link to the official rule?)

If the case is with blue ball on top of yellow ball, that is another story. Free ball or not, depends on the exact position of the blue ball. But as show on the fig. the blue is on bulk line.

Edited by - AllenW on 09.09.2005 23:27:33
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Kevi
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  23:14:41  Show Profile  Send %s1% an ICQ MessageKevi  Click to see %s1%'s MSN Messenger addressKevi Send Kevi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
以我所知,只要唔能夠用白波成隻打到隻target波左右是但一邊最邊個點就可以打free ball right? 起呢個case,藍波完全阻住黃波左邊,所以我覺得有。
以上只係我既唸法,不可作準…
其實我都同意B.Hall兄既唸法,如果係我,我都會用返隻黃波黎set 波。


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kennyau
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  23:36:15  Show Profile Send kennyau a Private Message  Reply with Quote
我都同意kevi既講法喎!!
free ball既定義應該係打唔到object波兩邊就可以free ball!! (如果我無理解錯既話)
所以係呢個case,我覺得blue ball係阻左黃波既左邊,所以我覺得無free ball!!
請ken sir或者田口先生開估!!
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Dickson
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Posted - 09.09.2005 :  23:54:56  Show Profile  Visit %s1%'s HomepageDickson  Send %s1% an ICQ MessageDickson Send Dickson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
我諗有部份會員對"打中兩邊薄皮"仍有誤解,
我曾經用以下呢幅圖答過一個freeball 問題,
其實lksnooker 的圖解釋得已很清楚了。
當兩個波好接近o既時候,這兩邊就是最薄皮了!

所以不能判freeball 的。

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Kevi
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  01:16:36  Show Profile  Send %s1% an ICQ MessageKevi  Click to see %s1%'s MSN Messenger addressKevi Send Kevi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ken Sir, 田中 請開估!

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fungshow
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  01:50:28  Show Profile  Visit %s1%'s Homepagefungshow Send fungshow a Private Message  Reply with Quote
白波dak死左唔係冇得 free ball ga咩 ???


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B.Hall
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  07:08:04  Show Profile Send B.Hall a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fungshow

白波dak死左唔係冇得 free ball ga咩 ???



對方foul完(不論點foul),只要打唔到目標球兩邊最薄皮,就可以free波。
白波撻死,都係foul,所以有得free波;不過就要將個白波擺在D區內任何位置都唔能夠同時打到目標球兩邊最薄皮,先至有得free。
就以lksnooker個case,差不多整個D區都free波,但若將個白波擺到好似佢第二幅圖咁,就應該打到兩邊最薄皮,不過佢隻白波好似有少少「責」界,咁就會俾球證foul。

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AllenW
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  07:44:23  Show Profile Send AllenW a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks. Now I get a better understanding. So in this case, if we can find a place in the D area to place the white ball, so that the white ball is touching the yellow ball but not blue ball, then there should be no free ball.

However, I think the sprit of the free ball rule is to make sure the player have maximum freedom in shooting the target ball. In this case, if no free ball is allowed, the choice of shooting the yellow ball is quite limited.

Edited by - AllenW on 10.09.2005 07:58:24
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  10:17:49  Show Profile Send 168 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Kevi
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  11:51:56  Show Profile  Send %s1% an ICQ MessageKevi  Click to see %s1%'s MSN Messenger addressKevi Send Kevi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
不過唸真D又真係好難知係咪真係有,始終都係紙上談兵!都係要睇真既黎決定有定冇!

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SnookerFreak
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  11:52:30  Show Profile Send SnookerFreak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
有一球好似既波在上年embassy享特利對Barry Pinches出現過...

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SnookerFreak
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  12:02:51  Show Profile Send SnookerFreak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
呢一球Ken Sir教過我既...

答案係 "冇" freeball...

理由上面解釋左了...如果唔明白,下次見到面我再講過你聽啦...



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Kevi
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  12:03:35  Show Profile  Send %s1% an ICQ MessageKevi  Click to see %s1%'s MSN Messenger addressKevi Send Kevi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
跟住呢?我無睇過個場!

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SnookerFreak
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Posted - 10.09.2005 :  12:11:26  Show Profile Send SnookerFreak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
當時球証話有freeball...但Barry(打波球手)自己好honest咁話冇...

不過that case唔係呢個咁明顯...

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