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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
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 Posted - 19.04.2006 : 08:32:24
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Hi People
I need some serious advice from some of you who have experience with a cue in a name i mentioned on top. I will only consider the flagship models. For Mike cue, i am looking for a custom one. Robert Osborne, black plate only.
I am using a maple JP Ultimate. Actually I am quite happy with it but there is a major problem to me. The cue weight is 16oz which is too light. When I ordered it over a year ago I said to make it to 18oz. In fact, I didn't know the exact cue weight untill recently i put it on a scale. After that I tried a couple of shots with my friend's 18.5oz JP cue and noticed a huge difference in power shots. My conclusion is that I need a cue with 18.5oz or up.
I won't get JP cues anymore because of few unhappy experience that my friends had in the past few months.
Regardless of the price, I like to know more about Glover,Mike and Osborne in the craftsmanship and shaft (Maple prefered) perspective. I can't sustain on playing with a cheap made cue. I actually owned few hand made Master cues before. To me Master cues are indeed cheap made.
Please no shxt talking. I am serious to ask for help in here because I am getting tired of doing research on cues already.
If any of you do have experience with Glover,Mike or Osborne. Please give me detail advice and email me with pictures if possible. Many many thanks to you all
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Scott Y
中校級會員
Hong Kong
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Posted - 19.04.2006 : 09:29:48
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Just wondering what do you refer as sh_t talking? Give us a guideline so we don't get called as sh_t talkers.
On the other hand, if you are serious enough in buying such a cue, you won't get tired of researching about cues. All three cue makers have been talked about here in the forum, I know you've read most of them, but what exactly are you looking for as an answer?
I have owned a few Mike Wooldridges, tried out quite a few Glovers and Osbornes. My biased opinion is that Mike Wooldridge has the best craftsmanship amongst the three. I'm not bashing on the other 2 makers, their craftsmanship are also very good.
I cannot comment on shafts since I don't use maples.
Good luck.
成日都不在-史Sir
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
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Posted - 19.04.2006 : 11:44:41
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thanks for the promt reply
As you said Mike has the best craftsmanship, I want to know how it compares to JP Ultimate. And, what about glover vs JP Ultimate.
Also, can you tell me more about the ash shaft on your mike cues. Are they whippy or stiff type? Arrows and grains are straight all the way from the butt to the tip? Here i want to emphasize on the grains, cause 9 out of 10 ash shaft tend to have curly grains at some point on a cue.(This is why I use maple because curly grains confuse my sight and make me dizzy)
Another thing I want to know is whether or not your mike cue is jointed at 17" from the butt. His website says so and his cues have 25" butt length which normal 16" cues have 22" butt length. nevertheless, can you tell me more about the balance of your cues.
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Jimmy Ho
初青會員
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Posted - 19.04.2006 : 17:48:26
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It's true Mike won't disapointed you. John & Glover may take the risk. But the postage of Mike were costly. He prefer DHL. Which cost 70 GBP to Hong Kong. But It's a real master piece. |
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kml4379
少校級會員
Hong Kong
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Posted - 19.04.2006 : 18:07:03
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why don't you try Deroo?
I don't like to use maple Cue because i can't make the spin as well as ash, but after i try this one....The first feeling is "Magic Cue"
, it's give me new idea on maple cue, however i still can't use it because it really expensive.
P.S I see one glover Maple and Deroo Maple....just $800 HKD difference, but the quality are different class. |
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 00:02:49
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Do u mean deroo maple so much better than glover maple? |
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
Posts 47 |
Posted - 20.04.2006 : 00:16:13
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To Jimmy
I was interested in deroo also but after reading a thread here, i changed my mind. That thread had pictures on two deroo and one glover and he said that glover had better craftsmanship. In this case, what is your comment on deroo's craftsmanship compare to JP Ultimate.
Also i want to know is deroo maple really exceptional to the rest. It looks different?Sounds different? |
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Jimmy Ho
初青會員
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 00:34:58
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If you were keen on maple. Deroo is a real good choice. On account of good maple was easier to find in Canada. And Deroo had a better value as well. It could be a magic cue like someone said. But only magic for the one who suit the thing. What spec you need? If I saw something suit you. I can let you know.
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Originally posted by lovefancy
To Jimmy
I was interested in deroo also but after reading a thread here, i changed my mind. That thread had pictures on two deroo and one glover and he said that glover had better craftsmanship. In this case, what is your comment on deroo's craftsmanship compare to JP Ultimate.
Also i want to know is deroo maple really exceptional to the rest. It looks different?Sounds different?
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red13
初哥級
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 00:51:21
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I have both Mike & Glover cues. Both of them are maple. In terms of craftman, I think Mike will not let you disappointed. However, Glover really have a better shaft that let me have a better cue ball control especially in power shot
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
Posts 47 |
Posted - 20.04.2006 : 02:53:11
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Thanks Jimmy. I want to know more about the maple shaft on deroo. To me I don't believe in the term "magic cue". What I do strictly care is the wood quality and the hitting sound. I like dense and old growth maple which it must be deadly straight. And when the cue is in contact with the cue ball, I like to hear a crystal clear "Ding" sound from the cue that gives me a sense of solidity, density, and consistency(or "stone feel"). In the mean while, I want a piece with exceptional craftsmanship(must be deadly straight and even point through out the shaft). Do you think deroo suit me?
Also, i want to know if deroo makes 6"mini and telescopic extension?
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Originally posted by Jimmy Ho
If you were keen on maple. Deroo is a real good choice. On account of good maple was easier to find in Canada. And Deroo had a better value as well. It could be a magic cue like someone said. But only magic for the one who suit the thing. What spec you need? If I saw something suit you. I can let you know.
[quote]Originally posted by lovefancy
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Jimmy Ho
初青會員
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 12:12:44
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Deroo was a trustworthy made. If the stock cue. You may have a chance to know it suit you or not. But hard to say for custom built one.
做得靓吾靓係心機, 做得好吾好係功力, 兩者不一。
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Originally posted by lovefancy
Thanks Jimmy. I want to know more about the maple shaft on deroo. To me I don't believe in the term "magic cue". What I do strictly care is the wood quality and the hitting sound. I like dense and old growth maple which it must be deadly straight. And when the cue is in contact with the cue ball, I like to hear a crystal clear "Ding" sound from the cue that gives me a sense of solidity, density, and consistency(or "stone feel"). In the mean while, I want a piece with exceptional craftsmanship(must be deadly straight and even point through out the shaft). Do you think deroo suit me?
Also, i want to know if deroo makes 6"mini and telescopic extension?
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Originally posted by Jimmy Ho
If you were keen on maple. Deroo is a real good choice. On account of good maple was easier to find in Canada. And Deroo had a better value as well. It could be a magic cue like someone said. But only magic for the one who suit the thing. What spec you need? If I saw something suit you. I can let you know.
[quote]Originally posted by lovefancy
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psmith
初青會員
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 19:46:01
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小弟都打緊同接觸過數十支deroo,以前打過Glover同埋接觸過唔少mike,osborne,希望少少個人意見可以幫到你.
之所以揀deroo,係佢俾靚木o既比率好高,只要唔造錯balance(要啱重量同長度,最好係造3/4),deroo十支可以有九支係中上水準,當中兩至三支超水準,即係所謂o既magic cue.
deroo cue o既特質大致上分兩類,一係比較硬同爆炸性(多數出現在56,57吋1 piece cue),打stun好勁,但打spin就冇咁好.第二類係比較平均(任何長度3/4),打spin一流,另外打stun亦都好過好多ash cue,白波反應好好,鍾意咩性質就自己考慮,但要記住一點,造1 piece cue千祈唔好造超過57.5吋,因為好易錯balance,支cue好易變"死魚",造3/4就最穩陣.
至於其他幾隻牌子,由於maple始終都係美洲靚,所以英國有冇靚木就真係撞手神.
Glover條shaft比較幼,支cue好軟,打spin一流,但stun略嫌不足,萬一支木唔夠密度,好易會唔夠力.另一大致命傷係Glover手工冇mike,deroo咁仔細,同埋比較易錯balance,訂到好cue成數較低.
Mike手工好靚,但條shaft好多時會唔夠power,可能係木料質素o既關係,好睇多過好打.
Osborne同Mike相似,ash可能會好power少少,但maple o既木質都係麻麻,要撞手神,訂到好cue o既機會唔大.
以上只係少少個人意見,希望幫到你啦!
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9394
初青會員
Posts 371 |
Posted - 20.04.2006 : 20:17:05
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我以前用Robert Osborne Maple cue 3/4,各方面都好好,最近try左Deroo,真的高一班....但要成7000幾蚊,都幾痛... |
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Jimmy Ho
初青會員
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 20:28:29
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之所以揀deroo,係佢俾靚木o既比率好高,只要唔造錯balance(要啱重量同長度,最好係造3/4),deroo十支可以有九支係中上水準,當中兩至三支超水準,即係所謂o既magic cue.--------------Agree
至於其他幾隻牌子,由於maple始終都係美洲靚,所以英國有冇靚木就真係撞手神.--------------------Agree
deroo cue o既特質大致上分兩類,一係比較硬同爆炸性(多數出現在56,57吋1 piece cue),打stun好勁,但打spin就冇咁好.第二類係比較平均(任何長度3/4),打spin一流,另外打stun亦都好過好多ash cue,白波反應好好,鍾意咩性質就自己考慮,但要記住一點,造1 piece cue千祈唔好造超過57.5吋,因為好易錯balance,支cue好易變"死魚",造3/4就最穩陣.-------------------------更正
Its just a matter of preference really, a threequarter cue tends to play a bit more solid and is easier to carry around also the weight is a bit further forward on a threequarter.
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Originally posted by psmith
小弟都打緊同接觸過數十支deroo,以前打過Glover同埋接觸過唔少mike,osborne,希望少少個人意見可以幫到你.
之所以揀deroo,係佢俾靚木o既比率好高,只要唔造錯balance(要啱重量同長度,最好係造3/4),deroo十支可以有九支係中上水準,當中兩至三支超水準,即係所謂o既magic cue.
deroo cue o既特質大致上分兩類,一係比較硬同爆炸性(多數出現在56,57吋1 piece cue),打stun好勁,但打spin就冇咁好.第二類係比較平均(任何長度3/4),打spin一流,另外打stun亦都好過好多ash cue,白波反應好好,鍾意咩性質就自己考慮,但要記住一點,造1 piece cue千祈唔好造超過57.5吋,因為好易錯balance,支cue好易變"死魚",造3/4就最穩陣.
至於其他幾隻牌子,由於maple始終都係美洲靚,所以英國有冇靚木就真係撞手神.
Glover條shaft比較幼,支cue好軟,打spin一流,但stun略嫌不足,萬一支木唔夠密度,好易會唔夠力.另一大致命傷係Glover手工冇mike,deroo咁仔細,同埋比較易錯balance,訂到好cue成數較低.
Mike手工好靚,但條shaft好多時會唔夠power,可能係木料質素o既關係,好睇多過好打.
Osborne同Mike相似,ash可能會好power少少,但maple o既木質都係麻麻,要撞手神,訂到好cue o既機會唔大.
以上只係少少個人意見,希望幫到你啦!
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ckck
初哥級
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 21:19:49
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hi lovefancy
are you going to sell your maple JP Ultimate when you got your new cue? because i also using 16oz maple. If you going to sell it .. please let me know. my email is ckng68@hotmail.com. thanks
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
Posts 47 |
Posted - 20.04.2006 : 23:02:44
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To psmith and Jimmy
Thank you so much psmith and Jimmy. Excellent posts. Your comments are exactly what i want. Now I am really interested in getting a deroo 3/4 cue.
I like 較硬同爆炸性 type. cue weight must be 18.5 up with natural or slightly forward balance.
I am wondering if deroo makes 6" and telescopic extensions. Let me know. Thx |
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psmith
初青會員
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Posted - 20.04.2006 : 23:14:52
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Deroo當然係有telescopic extension啦,6吋都可以叫佢做,因為如果你唔指定,deroo就會整伸縮嗰隻短駁尾,冇parris實心嗰支mini butt咁好用.
你亦都要有心理準備,deroo啲extension係出咗名....貴o既!另外你要18.5oz以上,最好訂57.5至58吋,如果唔係balance就有機會去咗cue尾.
p.s.我試過呢支cue,最後我朋友買咗:
http://snooker.com.hk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25062
整體有90分,有S.D.joint同伸縮mini butt,價錢唔貴(新買要7,500)好過自己訂,不過唔知佢賣咗未. |
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
Posts 47 |
Posted - 20.04.2006 : 23:32:17
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Thanks for the link
I prefer 9.75 or 10mm tip because they tend to give me a more solid feel in action.
the ideal cue length to me is 57". However, it seems that 57" won't have 18.5oz unless the balance is wrong. I guess i will sacrifice the weight for the cue length because deroo's shafts are truly exceptional. |
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psmith
初青會員
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Posted - 21.04.2006 : 19:32:34
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其實都唔一定o既,你訂支cue要9.75至10mm tip,因為成支cue比較粗前段較重,分分鐘可以造到18.5oz,建議你俾個重量o既range佢(e.g.18 to 18.75oz),你話要natural balance,deroo 會就個重量同你將支shaft發揮到最好,最好你同佢講埋要啲比較solid 同power o既shaft,咁就萬無一失.
另外,建議支cue唔用quick joint會比較穩陣,但S.D.就一定要用quick release,唔係隨時擰到傻. |
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lovefancy
初哥級
USA
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Posted - 21.04.2006 : 22:24:29
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cue唔用quick joint? Do u mean i should go for 1 piece? I prefer 3/4 and deroo makes few other type of joints?
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Originally posted by psmith
其實都唔一定o既,你訂支cue要9.75至10mm tip,因為成支cue比較粗前段較重,分分鐘可以造到18.5oz,建議你俾個重量o既range佢(e.g.18 to 18.75oz),你話要natural balance,deroo 會就個重量同你將支shaft發揮到最好,最好你同佢講埋要啲比較solid 同power o既shaft,咁就萬無一失.
另外,建議支cue唔用quick joint會比較穩陣,但S.D.就一定要用quick release,唔係隨時擰到傻.
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psmith
初青會員
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Posted - 21.04.2006 : 22:34:38
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唔係咁o既意思,同樣係3/4,deroo都有兩種joint,一隻係quick release,另一隻就係長擰o既,我覺得長擰嗰隻比較穩陣啫!
諗啱訂邊隻model未呢? |
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Glover,Mike, Robert Osborne or Deroo
