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YAN
初哥級
Hong Kong
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 Posted - 24.07.2005 : 01:14:25
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請問如果擊球後, 被打中的波跳出檯面, 在cushion上面一直滾入另一個袋(曾觸及cushion上的木面), 那是否當入? 有人說如滾動時觸不到cushion的木面, 只在绒面上滾入, 那才當入, 如滾動時超出木面, 那就當foul. 但本人曾聽說就算個波飛出檯面, 打中球証, 跌返入張檯, 如個波最後停返o係檯上面都不是foul. 所以本人其實覺得那應是入球, 但想聽聽各位之意見, 證實一下.
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Posted - 24.07.2005 : 02:01:34
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Dickson
隊長級會員
Hong Kong
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Posted - 24.07.2005 : 03:05:47
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算入！
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KennyC
初青會員
China
Posts 216 |
Posted - 24.07.2005 : 13:41:23
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打中球證再彈入。。。經典經典。。。
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Ken Sir
少校級會員
Hong Kong
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Posted - 24.07.2005 : 19:14:01
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Dickson 唔係卦，咁都算入？
如果隻波跳出檯面，經過檯邊絨面碌返入檯面或者落袋都得！
但係碌出木面就算 foul 了，而且碌到出木面咁滑都好難唔跌落地啦！
還有隻波飛起唔理撞到乜野，即使係踫到絨面粒 chalk 跌番入檯面都係算 foul，何況撞到人？
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Edited by - Ken Sir on 24.07.2005 19:14:48 |
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B.Hall
上校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 3471 |
Posted - 24.07.2005 : 20:12:29
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我諗都無球證企正個球員瞄波方向卦！
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YAN
初哥級
Hong Kong
Posts 30 |
Posted - 24.07.2005 : 23:12:09
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[quote]Originally posted by Ken Sir
Dickson 唔係卦，咁都算入？
如果隻波跳出檯面，經過檯邊絨面碌返入檯面或者落袋都得！
但係碌出木面就算 foul 了，而且碌到出木面咁滑都好難唔跌落地啦！
還有隻波飛起唔理撞到乜野，即使係踫到絨面粒 chalk 跌番入檯面都係算 foul，何況撞到人？
thank you ken sir.
但有時好難判斷有冇滾過木面 (如在絨面和木面之間), 那應怎判呢?
其實關於撞到球証再跌番入檯面問題, 因曾聽說球証應當作不存在, 所以理應不當foul. 但ken sir這樣說, 我當然相信國際球証啦! 雖然現實很難發生.
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Ken Sir
少校級會員
Hong Kong
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Posted - 25.07.2005 : 00:01:11
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YAN，球例講明波衹可以在絨面(bed)上行走，即係傳統綠色絨布上，一接觸木檯面就算 foul，而且我都未見過 d 波出左木面仲可以碌番入檯！
唔係當作球証不存在，而係比賽中的波唔可以觸踫到任何其它物件！
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YAN
初哥級
Hong Kong
Posts 30 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 00:19:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Ken Sir
YAN，球例講明波衹可以在絨面(bed)上行走，即係傳統綠色絨布上，一接觸木檯面就算 foul，而且我都未見過 d 波出左木面仲可以碌番入檯！
唔係當作球証不存在，而係比賽中的波唔可以觸踫到任何其它物件！
oic thanks!
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Dickson
隊長級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 10479 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 03:25:54
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B.Hall
上校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 3471 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 07:44:53
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我學波時曾經有高人講過，合法擊球後，個波可以o係張檯任何地方行走，只要無掂過任何其他物件，例如chalk、rest(當年出雩豸纂A多數就咁擺在檯邊)等等，只要最後落袋或跌番落檯面都唔算foul。
其實都好常見到有波飛上檯邊行走一段距離後落番檯面甚至入袋，而好多時個波在檯邊行走時絕唔會只在cushion上行，多數係在cushion絨面與木面交接處之罅位行，有時仲會因為個波慢而在絨面及木面兩處S字咁行喎！ 我都唔係好明Ken Sir點會話一到木面就foul。
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YAN
初哥級
Hong Kong
Posts 30 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 10:47:43
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各位高人, 咁即係入定唔入, 定係這是灰色地帶?
其實我都係聽一個桌球知識同經驗都好豐富o既人講話唔算foul, 但ken sir好似權威d, 真係有d矛盾, 唔知仲有冇其他高人有其他意見, 或者例證?
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Ken Sir
少校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 770 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 11:56:27
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以下係球例原文及其詮釋：
Forced Off the Table
A ball is forced off the table if it comes to rest other than on the bed the table or in a pocket,or if it is picked up by the striker whilst it is in play except as provided for in Section 3 Rule 14(h).
Interpretation
There are some very important words in this Rule and they are 'come to rest'. A ball can leave the bed of the table and run along a cushion rail and if it stops there it has been forced off the table.However, if the ball should run along the cushion and come back onto the bed of the table and stop there, this would be a perfectly fair stoke. If a ball runs along the cushion and drops into a pocket, it counts.
請留意 cushion rail 這字眼，我的理解就是絨面部份，而不是木面。
我還未看你那兩個片段，但我亦同意加果隻波真係沿著絨面及木面之間行走而入番枱或落袋，好多球証，包括我自己都會接受，但完全離開絨面就不可以了！
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Dickson
隊長級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 10479 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 13:28:37
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唔該Ken Sir！
我都係因為見過好幾次，球證都當入先講"算入"。
但係第二條問題我就冇答，因為我都唔sure。
事關我都曾經聽過飛出檯碰到物體跌番入檯唔當foul。
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bananaking
少校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 624 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 14:01:19
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呢個情況我地.COM會員林耀生哥哥表現過2次俾我睇囉！
重要2次都入波，真係吹乒乓！ 
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KennyC
初青會員
China
Posts 216 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 15:14:11
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柑如果系紅波停系Cushion上就因該將距放入袋當無佐勒？如果系Color波就放翻去原點阿？
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Dickson
隊長級會員
Hong Kong
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Posted - 25.07.2005 : 15:43:10
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Ken Sir 講過一律當出檯違例做法。
Dickson
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gclee
少校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 704 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 17:45:18
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Call ball 可吾可以話中球証然後入袋？  |
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terry0797
初青會員
Hong Kong
Posts 292 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 18:09:37
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quote:
Originally posted by gclee
Call ball 可吾可以話中球証然後入袋？
得,不過你要講埋中邊到!!!~ |
Edited by - terry0797 on 25.07.2005 18:10:04 |
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gclee
少校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 704 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 19:26:53
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中....壇中穴...  |
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lksnooker
初青會員
Australia
Posts 335 |
Posted - 25.07.2005 : 23:50:07
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http://www.worldsnooker.com/about_the_rules.htm
14. Forced Off the Table
A ball is forced off the table if it comes to rest other than on the bed of the table or in a pocket, or if it is picked up by the striker, whilst it is in play except as provided for in Section 3 Rule 14(h).
comes to rest 0既意思係當個波完全停頓0個時
bed of the table 0既意思係張波臺凹0佐落0黎0個個四方柜, 通常都係綠色, 用0的羊毛做0既, 0的波平時就係0係呢度撞0黎撞去0既
pocket 應該大家都知啦
striker 就係打緊波0個個人
呢成句0既意思就係: 一個波會被稱 "被迫出臺" 如果: 當個波完全停頓0個時, 如果唔係停0係臺凹0佐落去0個個四方柜上面, 或唔係0係個袋裡面... 如或者被 "打緊波0個個人" 拾起個波, 而個波係仍然 "In Play" 都會被列為 "被迫出臺", 除非係被列入 S3 Rule 14(h)
罰幾分就要睇 Section 3.12
下面0既例全係同 forced off table 有關, 冇一個係會提及到掂唔掂到木定係掂到絨...
其實之前有一次比賽已經發生過呢件事, 當時個球手就係想同我講話曾經有一個大高手話比佢聽, 如果個波掂到木就係 foul, 就算最後落返張臺, 我當時同我個身邊個朋友講, 話呢個係天大0既笑話, 到最後我另一個比賽緊0既朋友都係為0佐唔好爭論, 白白比0佐佢 6 度...
我話係天大0既笑話0既原因係, 如果真有此事, 咁我地每個比賽都需要多 4 個睇線0既球証, 好似打網球一樣!! 否則點可以夠公正, 睇得清楚個波有冇掂到木呀???
總結就係, 就算你射0個隻波走晒 6 條 cushion, 打中木, 打中皮, 打中張臺邊度都好, 到最後入袋都計入袋, 到最後停0係臺面凹0既四方柜就唔 foul, 停0係任何其它地方就 foul...
如果你想知道個波打到 chalk 後入袋點計就睇 Section 3.15 同 Section 3.18
Section 3.15 Ball Moved by Other than Striker
If a ball, stationary or moving, is disturbed other than by the striker, it shall be re-positioned by the referee to the place he judges the ball was, or would have finished, without penalty.
(a) This Rule shall include cases where another occurrence or person, other than the striker’s partner, causes the striker to move a ball.
(b) No player shall be penalised for any disturbance of balls by the referee.
18. Use of Ancillary Equipment
It is the responsibility of the striker to both place and remove any equipment he may use at the table.
(a) The striker is responsible for all items including, but not limited to, rests and extensions that he brings to the table, whether owned by him or borrowed (except from the referee), and he will be penalised for any fouls made by him when using this equipment.
(b) Equipment normally found at the table which has been provided by another party including the referee are not the responsibility of the striker. Should this equipment prove to be faulty and thereby cause the striker to touch a ball or balls, no fouls will be called. The referee will, if necessary, reposition any balls in accordance with Rule 15 above and the striker, if in a break, will be allowed to continue without penalty.
其它有關 "Forced Off Table" 0既例...
Section 2.09. In-hand
(a) The cue-ball is in-hand
(iii) when it has been forced off the table
Section 2.10. Ball in Play
(a) The cue-ball is in play when it is not in-hand.
(b) Object balls are in play from the start of the frame until pocketed or forced off the table.
(c) Colours become in play again when re-spotted.
Section 3.03. Mode of Play
(g) Reds are not replaced on the table once pocketed or forced off the table regardless of the fact that a player may thus benefit from a foul. Exceptions to this concept are provided for in Section 3 Rules 2(b)(ii), 9, 14(f), 14(h) and 15.
Section 3.07. Spotting Colours
Any colour pocketed or forced off the table shall be spotted before the next stroke is made, until finally potted under Section 3 Rule 3(f).
Section 3.12. Penalties
All fouls will incur a penalty of four points unless a higher one is indicated in paragraph (a) to (d) below. Penalties are:
(b) value of the ball on or ball concerned, whichever is higher, by
(vii) causing a ball to be forced off the table.
Section 3.14 Foul and a Miss
(g) When any ball is being replaced after a miss, both the offender and the next player will be consulted as to its position, after which the referee’s decision shall be final.
(h) During such consultation, if either player should touch any ball in play, he shall be penalised as if he were the striker, without affecting the order of play. The ball touched shall be replaced by the referee, to his satisfaction, if necessary, even if it was picked up.
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