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love2pot
初哥級
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 Posted - 23.06.2003 : 05:14:22
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I am going through a bad patch.I am having a slump period in my snooker recently. All due to my timing on my strokes.
Does any one has any good drills on practicing good timing? The only
drill that I use is line up the cue ball and object ball in straight
line and apply top spin to make both balls going into the same pocket.
But is there any other drills out there to practice good timing?
For people who do not know much about timing - Timing is essential in a good snooker stroke.
For example, many people describe the player Stephen Lee has having one of the best, if not the best strokes in snooker, and as a result of this, for example,he can screw the cue-ball back effortlessly. Now, why can he do it so effortlessly? It's not because he can hit the ball the hardest, it's because of his timing as he follows his cue through the cue-ball.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Ransome
初青會員
Hong Kong
Posts 333 |
Posted - 23.06.2003 : 12:30:44
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Hi love2pot,
I hope this could help you, I copy from 110 sport CD ROM Play better snooker.
"A consistent length of follow through allows you to time the delivery of the cue. These components offer you a better chance of keeping the cue ball on track and immparting the necessary spins required. Your follow through should be a maximum of 5" from the back edge of the cue ball. Cue must be travelling at its fastest as it hits and goes through the cue ball. The tip stays in contact with the cue ball that fraction of a second longer."
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love2pot
初哥級
Posts 12 |
Posted - 23.06.2003 : 14:16:00
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Thanks! Ransome.
But, I really want to know if there are any drills to practice that.
The only drills I use is, as I had said before, line up the cue ball with the object ball in a straight line and apply top spin. I will see if I have good timing by judging the amount of top spin on the cue ball after contact with the object ball and also see if both balls go in the pocket. The other drill I use is hitting the cue ball from the brown spot through the blue, pink, black and return back to brown spot.
Any suggestions on other drills would highly appreciated. |
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tung
初青會員
Posts 169 |
Posted - 23.06.2003 : 16:56:54
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love2pot 兄,
似乎閣下非常明白timing之重要性, 而上述Ransome兄所述(1) 要用最高速度擊中白球球; (2)擊球後要繼續進行follow through的動作以便增加擊球時Tip頭擊中白球之接觸時間實乃增加白球旋轉力之不二法門.
但有些球手雖然有做follow thorugh動作及能夠控制於最高速度時中白球, 但白球仍然不能像Stephen Lee那類球手一樣產生高轉數, 遠檯screw back像毫不費力似的, 為何?
那是因為有些球手忽略了一個如何增加擊球時Tip頭擊中白球之接觸時間以便增加白球旋轉力的一個重要因素, 那就是當擊中白球時Cue的運進角度是否水平, 因為如果球手能將姿勢控制於運Cue時呈現較水平狀態(絕對水平是很困難的), 則擊中白球時Tip頭將會有一點點的時間延長, 就是這一點點時間延長, 上述Ransome兄所述的(1) & (2)點要訣才能發揮作用, 慎記之.
所以二十年前初學桌球的朋友, 當時的師傅會叫徒弟 "督" 可口可樂樽, 藉此控制出Cue時不要左右上下擺動也不無道理.
至於如何控制最高速度中白球, 其實只要買一個同桌球差不多大小的海綿或布公仔球, 經常在家自己練習便可. 不要用真桌球或硬球, 否則閣下家中會被擊破很多東西. 哈~~
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love2pot
初哥級
Posts 12 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 01:02:49
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Thanks! Tung,
But your message is text book which I already know (no offense). I just want to know what drills do you use when you have a bad patch in your timing. I meant practicing on a snooker table - not with a coke bottle or plush toy.
The only things I am doing are -
1) line up straight and apply top spin to the cue ball and watch both balls go in the same pocket. Watch for the amount of top spin to justify my timing.
2) line up straight and apply back spin and watch both balls go in opposite pockets.
(no middle pocket please on both drills)
I start from 2 feet apart between the cue ball and the object ball and gradually increase 1 feet at a time when I am satisfy with my strokes.
Final drill is sending the cue ball from the brown spot through blue, pink black and back to brown spot.
What I really want to know if there is any other drills out there to practice on a snooker table? Thanks very much for the feedbacks. |
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bigjason
少校級會員
Posts 684 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 01:55:20
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brother 東, 你o既論點好好呀, thx a lot.
同埋我想請教o下你d野. 一o的老一輩o既球手follow through 時經常向下插, 差唔多到臺絨, 成枝cue與水平成20度角左右, eg. jimmy write, alex higgins. 咁佢地同你所講o既水平出cue係唔係一樣嫁呢?
同埋我想問o下你對短徑有乜睇法呢? 因為我算係一個短徑球手( 你地唔好諗衰野哦!!hoho) , 我覺得短徑對'以最高速擊球' 有幫助, 而且出得少, 中波o既位置較易掌握, 可能會較準. 請多多指教!
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QQ147
少校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 824 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 02:00:54
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jun-24-03 AT 02:02 AM (GMT)]唔明:19> 咩係短徑??? |
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Dickson
隊長級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 10479 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 02:05:40
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back swing 短，又可以話後手擺幅少，但係速度高。 |
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tung
初青會員
Posts 169 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 02:47:30
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bigjason兄,
千其唔好講請教, 只係大家傾下偈遮....
首先現在的球手打低Cue時到follow through的尾段Cue頭仍然會擦到絨面的, 因為理想的完全水平很難做到.
A. Higgins就正正是採用"寸勁"的球手(Mark J.Williams也是), 但 Higgins並不如Williams那樣重點在於採用"寸勁"達致短程加速, 他是採用一種低Q時瞄準白波較高點然後將Cue呈弧形向下插產生延長Tip頭接觸時間的一種技巧, 但這種技巧有致命傷, 因為只要不是擊中白球中線便會產生"棟"西令波弧形前進, 穩定性好低, 不值得模仿.....
J. White則採用長距離枕手的球手, 配上20安士以上的重Cue, 如果能夠只要控制到高速擊球, 位能轉變成動能的力量是很大的, 相信如果J. White轉用17oz Cue低Q一定無咁強勁, 但能夠靈活運用20oz以上既Cue, 又有幾人?
如果要輕易達到最高速度擊中白波, 長枕手距離一定比短枕手距離好, 因為物理學上加速度與距離的關係, 球手較有足夠距離及時間加速, 不過短枕手球手多數較準, 因為誤差會較少, 但加速率會較低(除非你擁有M.Williams那種拳擊手特有的爆炸性手部肌肉組織, 可以短程加速), 而且要注意的是對Cue的水平要求更甚, 因為枕手距離短, 如果不能做到盡量水平則Cue的向下角度將會更大, 試試想那些離cushion 8吋的波要打低Q時便知道.
唔知詠春可唔可以改善"寸勁"?
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bigjason
少校級會員
Posts 684 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 03:13:09
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sorry, 諗我用錯左詞語lu.
其實我想講o既係, 我backswing 時拉後幾多都好, 但係只會follow through好短o既佢離, 大約2寸半左右啦. brother 東, 你覺得咁樣又有冇問題呢? hehe , thx!
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tung
初青會員
Posts 169 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 13:11:08
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我覺得桌球有好多種方法達到目的, 短follow through一般來說打高低Q時白球的旋轉力是會較差, 但這只是對比同一條件下(例如擊中白球時的速度一樣)得出的結果, 如果球手能夠將擊中白球時的速度提昇, 較短follow through也不會做成影響. 但如果打大power shot時follow through小於4-5吋就真的太短了, 相信會局限了Q法的多樣性(例如打黑柴厚波白波落底一cushion彈上的top stun及stun follow, Follow Through Action起了決定性影響, 因為有些Q法是利用長follow through但中速擊球下產生的), 如果Follow Through 只有2.5吋, 會唔會發覺當要打厚波stun橫白波但又要白波有一定速度或行進距離(俗稱隻白波要"生")有少少困難?
至於準繩度問題, 如果從單方面來看, 似乎準繩度會提高, 但請不要忘記, 桌球的其中一個理念是"如果用7分力打就足夠, 不要試圖用10分力去達至同樣效果", 因為要達到短follow through時同樣效果便要提昇擊球速度, 肌肉會加倍用力(或者要刻意用大量腕力), 整個Form的穩定性是較難保持的, 除非閣下的體格或肌肉組織特別適合此種爆炸性動作而又能夠保持穩定, 否則小至中力的power shot問題不大, 但大力的power shot例如大半張檯的screw back準繩度反而往往較低.
所以我覺得短枕手但Follow Through正常的Form會較穩定及較準, 但大前題是Cue必須較水平, 否則擊中白球的點不夠肯定, 對線位控制會有好大影響.
讓我們試試觀察近代職業球手的cueing, 如果有人說stephen lee是最好, 相信Ronnie O'sullivan, John Higgins一定不比他差, 閣下可以留意得到, 當遠檯發力screw back(唔係發力stun shot)時, Stephen Lee, Ronnie O'Sullivan 及John Higgins的穩定及準繩度比Mark J. Williams高很多(如果唔信, 睇睇近5, 6年既embassy統一統計就知道, embassy個個球手落場都比較認真, 同樣地係考驗球手係緊張情況下個Form穩定性的指標), 上述Lee, O'Sullivan及Higgins都有一個特點, 就是整個cueing中, Cue的水平度, Follow Through的行進程度, 擊球速度三者都比較平均, 其中Cue的水平度Lee最好, 擊球速度O'Sullivan最好, Follow Through Higgins最好, 但他們也不會刻意如Wiiliams般只著眼於一點, Williams係一個好特殊既例子, 相信百萬中無一(個Form好似佢既Darren Mogan依家都唔知去左邊), 所以如果打短follow through form, 發現打大power shot時出現誤差, 這時可能是要放棄繼續追求更高速度擊中白球的時候, 反而可能要著眼於改良Cue的水平度及Follow through的行進程度方為上算.
這只是個人意見及以前與一些球手交換的意見, 請不要見笑. |
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bigjason
少校級會員
Posts 684 |
Posted - 24.06.2003 : 22:46:29
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BROTHER 東, 多謝你D意見呀, 我之前成日攪唔清FOLLOW THROUGH 長短O既影響, 我而家清淅好多LU, VERYVERY THX, 我會再改得好D嫁, HOHO.
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love2pot
初哥級
Posts 12 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 00:42:29
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Thanks, Tung, for your valuable information.
Your are very knowledgeable and understand the game of billiards thoroughly.
You recognize the importance of Timing.
I think the most difficult part in the game billiards is to catch a good timing.
Without good timing, nothing will fit right. I hope there is a better way or method to teach people on how to catch a good timing. |
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tung
初青會員
Posts 169 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 09:40:11
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jun-25-03 AT 09:41 AM (GMT)]BJ,
唔駛客氣. 但請恕我直言, 我同你打過波, 從旁觀察, 閣下既Form根本無大既缺憾需要立刻改, 反而不如將改Form既念頭放埋一邊, 只著眼於Q法及白波走位, 到開始能夠平均打5盤波經常有3Q三十幾度以上(因為三十幾通常只講求半檯準繩度及半檯白波控制), 才再回頭執執個Form都出�, 否則可能被改Form的念頭影響而反覆改良, 反而進步更慢. 個Form有缺陷既人打過80分以上比比皆是........
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bigjason
少校級會員
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Posted - 25.06.2003 : 10:13:41
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erickc
初青會員
Japan
Posts 202 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 13:10:52
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Mr. Tung, thank you for your advice. I also have some problems on my form. People say when i have back swing, my body will move a little bit upwards and also the cue will be pulled close to my body(a little bit left of the aiming line). I don't know how to make my body still(but i have the feeling that my cue is pulling straightly backwards and keeping my body still). Do you have any advice? I can make current break of over ten (two red and two colour). Do you think i better spend much time on practicing potting and cue ball control above rather than changing my form as your reply to Mr. bj? Look forward to your advice. I am living overseas, therefore i can't join the gathering of .com. Hope to have games with all members and learn from all of you. Thank you.
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tung
初青會員
Posts 169 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 15:39:15
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Eric,
首先不用客氣, 我只是將所知講出來大家分享下, 並不一定是對的, 閣下一定要自行思考分析對錯, 如果能令網友間互有得著(其實我要寫出來自己也要整理好, 對自己也有幫助…哈), 相信大家都可以發現網上世界分享既樂趣.
回到正題, 首先講Cueing中身軀輕微向上移動的問題, 如果只是Cueing(即俗稱” 濕Q”) 時很輕微的上下晃動但出Q時身軀能夠保持靜止(如職業球手O’Sullivan那樣), 是不會有大問題的, 這同身體協調有關係, 不要介懷. 但如果出Q時頭部或身體會往上移則會影響射波穩定性, 因為球手會隨著不同壓力情況下產生不同上移程度/速度, 將會影響後手角度及出Q的直線性. 如果閣下是後者便要改進, 大部份人最常遇見的情況是:-
a) 心情太緊張, 惟有時常練習放鬆心情, 並於出Q時提醒自己不要上移身軀, 久而久之便會養成習慣於壓力情況下也不上移, 至於練習除非你有朋友幫手像Steve Davis那樣於學習初期他爸爸會於他出Q時放一支Cue淩空在他頭頂提醒他不要上移頭部及身軀, 否則只能持續自我提醒直至習慣;
b) 第二種情況是枕手中前手臂及手 “足爭” 部份 並未放在桌球檯上(有時會連枕手膊頭也未鎖緊), 前手臂或手足爭是淩空在檯面上, 所有重量都是集中放在枕手的手腕上, 這會令球手每次出Q時或出Q後便想或要立刻成身, 久而久之就會變成習慣, 如果是這情形, 只要改良枕手將重量重新分佈好於手腕, 手臂及手足爭, 到時出Q時要隨便上移身體也不容易.
c) 第三種情況較少見, 就是球手的整個Form屬前傾型, 即是整個身體重量並非平均分佈於企位及枕手上而是集中於枕手上, 這種前傾力也會令球手急於起身, 這種情況只要改良企位及枕手與白波距離可解決到.
今天在公司蛇王只能寫住咁多, 明天再講Cueing中向後拉時Cue會向身軀方向橫移的解決問題.
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erickc
初青會員
Japan
Posts 202 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 16:05:49
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Thank you very much. Sorry about that you replied me when you are still having your work on hand. Reply when you have thing. Waiting for the next explanation on tomorrow. I will check the things you said above. Thank you.
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QQ147
少校級會員
Hong Kong
Posts 824 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 16:30:26
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d技術名詞好深呀!!唔明  |
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tung
初青會員
Posts 169 |
Posted - 25.06.2003 : 16:47:00
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QQ,
你唔駛明架, 你屬於有talent既nature型球手, 你個Form, 節奏同Cueing同好自然形成(上次打我個Q69度已經好明顯察覺到), 搞得太多呢科野弊多於利...
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DD
初哥級
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Posted - 26.06.2003 : 01:01:45
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各位仁兄,我係第一次問野ja.因為我岩岩先登記尼個科林~
我有一個好嚴重gai問題唔知點改,
就係我隻右手腕經常向左傾,即係個手腕同上臂唔成一直線,
令到我打底Q時好唔準
請大家比d意見我啦...^.^
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Timing
